We (Perit Dial Int 17:426 and 497, 1997) and the Dialysis Outcomes Quality Initiative guidelines (Am J Kidney Dis 30:S69, 1997) have reported evidence that protein intake often is < 0.8 g/kg standard weight when renal weekly urea clearance (L) normalized to total body water (V, L) is less than 2.0, and that initiation of dialysis should be considered if nutritional status is decreasing. We have prospectively followed renal urea (C(urea)) and creatinine clearances (C(cr)) in 20 patients with chronic renal failure. Nine patients received dietary counseling, but we have previously shown this has minimal effects on protein intakes (Perit Dial Int 17:497, 1997). In 16 patients (group 1), glomerular filtration rate (GFR) estimated as (C(urea) + C(cr))/2 decreased from 14.6 +/- 1.5 (mean +/- SEM) to 9.8 +/- 0.9 (ml/min/1.73 m2 BSA) over a mean interval of 10.3 +/- 1.6 months; in the other 4 patients (group 2), mean GFR did not decrease and was initially 17.6 +/- 3.8 and 21.7 +/- 2.2 after 8.5 +/- 2.3 months. In group 1, Kt/V went from 2.5 +/- 0.3 to 1.7 +/- 0.2; in group 2, Kt/V went from 3.1 +/- 1.0 to 3.7 +/- 0.6. In group 1, protein intake as assessed from the normalized equivalent of protein nitrogen appearance calculated from urea nitrogen and protein losses in urine (nPNA; g/kg standard weight) went from 1.0 +/- 0.1 to 0.8 +/- 0.1. In group 2, mean nPNAs were 1.1 +/- 0.3 and 1.1 +/- 0.1. In all measurements with Kt/V less than 2.0 (n = 18), 10 (56%) were with nPNA less than 0.8. In all measurements of Kt/V > or = 2.0 (n = 22), only 3 (13.6%) were with an nPNA of less than 0.8. These percentage values were different (p < 0.0001) by chi-squared analysis. Changes in nPNA correlated directly (but insignificantly, probably because of a small n) with C(cr), GFR, and Kt/V. These prospective results provide additional evidence that protein intakes decrease to dangerously low levels (without intense dietary monitoring) in most patients when renal weekly Kt/V decreases to below 2.0, which is similar to findings in patients on continuous ambulatory peritoneal dialysis.